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Post by ~*The Pride of Ireland*~ on Apr 8, 2007 21:59:41 GMT -5
This issue has plagued mankind for years and years. And to maybe spark peoples OOC interests, this is the topic.
Disclaimer: This topic will NOT BE FOR THE EASILY OFFENDED!
Evolution or Intelligent Design? Who is right? And what does this mean for which direction we should take morally?
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Post by "The New Era Icon" David Calaz on Apr 9, 2007 5:06:07 GMT -5
is stuff to do with like, monkeys and god...
Evolution all the way
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Post by ~*The Pride of Ireland*~ on Apr 9, 2007 10:25:14 GMT -5
I suppose i will need to share my own opinion in order to spark peoples interest because they would have someone to argue with.
If we came from Apes, why are apes still here? No other animals that were evolved from something else have that something else still around. but we do? hmmm.
The Big Bang isnt a foolproof against God. Any casual Theist (and i will say Theist because this isnt just about God himself, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, they all have creationist theories) can say that their God created the big bang.
There is a mark in our history of "evolution" that at first, we were all just little tiny protozoas. Just a mesh of amoebas and microorganism. And then, what Scientists call the Cambrian Explosion happened. Where all of the sudden, life sparked seemingly out of nowhere, creatures took incredible forms without warning or notice. Evolution to my understanding is a slow process of evolved forms over time. But so far, the Cambrian Explosion has revealed no mark in between micro organisms to actual animals. It just sort of happened out of the blue, with not even such a rumor as a "Missing Link" because their was no link at all. This baffles Evolutionists to this day.
I will post more arguments once someone states something else. I know some arguments that can counter what i have said, so do your research kiddos! This can be quite fun.
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Post by "The New Era Icon" David Calaz on Apr 9, 2007 14:54:28 GMT -5
I for one believe in the big bang and evolution
Maybe we evolved from a certain type of ape that isnt around today...see what i mean
This topic also has way too many big words for me to understand but what the hell
so for me
Big Band caused Planets to form and over the years different gases were formed in the air (learned that in physics in year 11) and that allowed things to breath oxygen...Dinosaurs evolution People (Y)
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Post by MorningStar on Apr 9, 2007 15:08:03 GMT -5
Wrong. It's called Divergent Evolution or, for the layman, Adaption. Mankind are quite simply another strain of ape, in the same way that there are hundreds of different forms of spiders, sharks, etc. Remember, we're still animals the same as everything else.
Wrong again. The Big Bang theory support that there was nothing. NOTHING. Hence, any religion claiming their god created the big bang is contradicting themselves.
Not quite. There are species of frogs (possibly other animals, I only know this one) who spontaneously change sex whilst in a same sex environment. This is a case of Evolution, because it's evolved into something more than what it was.
Evolution is based in the theory that, through generations (approximately 1/4 of a creatures average life span), the offspring adapt to their environment. IE if you take a black spider to a desert, its offspring will be lighter in hue, so as to blend in better. Evolution is essentialy a survival measure.
As to the idea of "God"... Personally, I say BULLSHIT. In any religious text, you read of Higher Powers smiting the unbeliever with lightning, rivers of blood, plagues of locusts, death of the first born, rains of fire etc. So why did that all of a sudden stop? You telling me God said "My my, that's alot of smiting... I'm going to take a 2 millenia holiday now!"
Sorry, doesn't sit with me. If there is a God up there, I refuse to believe he created a world that's destroying itself, then created people to destroy it further. Unless this is a science experiment and he's watching over us with a stopwatch, I say it's a load of twaddle.
Conclusion: God is a fictitious character from the worlds greatest work of fiction, created because one scared person couldn't bear the thought of there being NOTHING at all when you die, and 10,000,000 sheep clinging onto this one idea. Evolution is the right idea, but has some details very, very wrong.
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Post by The One on Apr 9, 2007 15:53:04 GMT -5
I am not getting in on this one to the extent of what I have studied; however the big bang theory and "let there be light" do kind of go together. Everything started from nothing. That one huge ball of gass that went bang was just chilling there? Q: How did it get there? A: It just was. Q: If that was just there then why couldn't some all-mighty have just been? A: This is the dumbest question ever because nobody having this conversation is wrong, because until you are dead you are not wrong. |
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Post by The Modern Outlaw on Apr 9, 2007 18:05:10 GMT -5
It has always been my theory (completely uneducated, mind you) that both evolution and creation are 2 answers to the same question. Say God was a gardner and planed the seeds that over time have evolved into to us and will one day evolve past us.
As for the remark as to why apes are still around but no "lesser species" are I guess you've never watched the discovery channel. It all started with single-cell organisms right? Well thy're still around. They evolved into fish which then evolved into amphibians which then evovled inot reptiles then to mammals. But, as we all know, fish, amphibians, and reptiles still reamin in this world.
And as far as the big bang is concerned, I agree with Szaban, there had to be something to cause the explosion, and a "god" very well could have created that for the sole purpose of creating the universe.
Don't get me wrong, a Christian I am not, but I still tend to believe that it had to start somewhere.
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Post by "The New Era Icon" David Calaz on Apr 10, 2007 5:44:12 GMT -5
The big bang was caused by a star exploding all gasses went into the black whole a star creates when it explodes, and when the gas build up was too much...BANG!...and that bang was a big one Planets were formed and are still moving away from the Sun which as we know is the center of it all...but once again year 11 physics
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Post by The One on Apr 10, 2007 8:57:35 GMT -5
I am not sure of how to put this but.. wrong? The sun is the center of it all? *looking at calander* What year is it?
okay fine i will play this game a tad first pro-God/Creation:
Discoveries in astronomy have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the universe did, in fact, have a beginning. There was a single moment of creation.
Advances in molecular biology have revealed vast amounts of information encoded in each and every living cell, and molecular biologists have discovered thousands upon thousands of exquisitely designed machines at the molecular level. Information requires intelligence and design requires a designer.
Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In fact, scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?
The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and what purpose do they serve?
Philosophers agree that a transcendent Law Giver is the only plausible explanation for an objective moral standard. So, ask yourself if you believe in right and wrong and then ask yourself why. Who gave you your conscience? Why does it exist?
People of every race, creed, color, and culture, both men and women, young and old, wise and foolish, from the educated to the ignorant, claim to have personally experienced something of the supernatural. So what are we supposed to do with these prodigious accounts of divine healing, prophetic revelation, answered prayer, and other miraculous phenomena? Ignorance and imagination may have played a part to be sure, but is there something more?
Now Pro-Evolution:
The central ideas of evolution are that life has a history — it has changed over time — and that different species share common ancestors.
Evolution is the process by which modern organisms have descended from ancient ancestors. Evolution is responsible for both the remarkable similarities we see across all life and the amazing diversity of that life — but exactly how does it work?
House sparrows have adapted to the climate of North America, mosquitoes have evolved in response to global warming, and insects have evolved resistance to our pesticides. These are all examples of microevolution — evolution on a small yet fast scale.
The design for a master architect is there, but also what is there is a matter of chance that everything has happend so perfectly with every species will and desire to survive that all changes happend because the species just adapted to the changes and extended their own existance.
I do not publicly stand on one side of this arguement, but both arguements are very possible ideas. But really when you are having this discussion you can not have a closed mind on either side. If you believe in God take a minute and say 'okay what if there is not one,' if you do not believe in an almighty take a minute and see through the eyes of a believer. In closing there is going to be something after death on either side of this one you go to your afterlife in heaven, hell, or purgatory. Or when your life has ended the energy that is your life goes somewhere else, as energy is never created nor lost.
The truth is out their it just takes an open mind to find the answers. Like I said no one is right or wrong in this topic. Live life free and then die happy.
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Post by ~*The Pride of Ireland*~ on Apr 10, 2007 13:05:28 GMT -5
That was a beautiful ending that i would only of expected from reading a book. I choose not to continue in the face of such objectivity.
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Post by The One on Apr 10, 2007 20:24:24 GMT -5
I have been in and out on studying this in college and otherwise just for personal knowledge. And I enjoy seeing everyones takes on it, but I hate when people get defensive then offensive about it.
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Post by Rachel on Apr 10, 2007 21:23:44 GMT -5
Ladies and Gentlemen...Matthew Szaban does it again! Now that you've shocked and awed...What will you do next?
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Post by "The New Era Icon" David Calaz on Apr 11, 2007 5:37:20 GMT -5
Lots of big words...but in the end Szban it made sense so yeah, there is no right and wrong except Szaban...whos right (Y)
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... They keep throwing things back and forth and we're not going to get anywhere.
